Aural Sculptors - The Stranglers Live 1976 to the Present


Welcome to Aural Sculptors, a blog aimed at bringing the music of The Stranglers to as wide an audience as possible. Whilst all of the various members of the band that have passed through the ranks since 1974 are accomplished studio musicians, it is on stage where the band have for me had their biggest impact.

As a collector of their live recordings for many years I want to share some of the better quality material with other fans. By selecting the higher quality recordings I hope to present The Stranglers in the best possible light for the benefit of those less familiar with their material than the hardcore fan.

Needless to say, this site will steer well clear of any officially released material. As well as live gigs, I will post demos, radio interviews and anything else that I feel may be of interest.

In addition, occasionally I will post material by other bands, related or otherwise, that mean a lot to me.

Your comments and/or contributions are most welcome. Please email me at adrianandrews@myyahoo.com.


Saturday, 19 June 2021

European Festivals 2012 DVD

 


Here's a compilation from the collection of several incomplete sets from televised European Festivals that took place between 2011 and 2012. Great quality and fully authored.

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Isle of Wight Festival, Newport, UK 21st June 2012

01. Peaches
02. Golden Brown
03. Time Was Once On My Side
04. Always The Sun
06. Boom Boom
07. Lost Control
08. No More Heroes

Rock Im Park, Nurnberg, Germany 1st June 2012

01. Always The Sun
02. Hanging Around

Rock Am Ring, Eifel, Germany 2nd June 2012

01. Golden Brown
02. All Day & All Of The Night

F.I.B., Benecassim, Castellon, Spain 15th July 2011

01. 5 Minutes
02. (Get A) Grip (On Yourself)
03. Something Better Change
04. Peaches
05. Golden Brown

Thursday, 17 June 2021

Replicas - A Machine Rock Classic

 

I have read recently on some Numan fan facebook pages heated discussion about the virtues or lack of virtues of the 'Intruder' album. Interesting stuff and completely understandable. To like everything an artist has done over such a long career is in my opinion a near impossibility. For my part I stopped buying Numan's albums after 'Metal Rhythm' and only picked up on him again with the release of the back to form 'Sacrifice'. 

However, in 'Replicas' I think that we have an album that all fans, old and new can be aligned on. As Tubeway Army's breakthrough album it has withstood the test of time and remains a classic album of the post-punk era (that is not to say that it is 'post punk'). 

I find 'Tubeway Army' or the 'Blue Album' difficult to separate from 'Replicas', the former being the awkward teenage brother of 'Replicas', its 20-something, ever so slightly more worldly older sibling. The dystopian bleakness of 'Tubeway Army' is carried through onto the next album, minus young Gary's obsession with  knocking one out left, right and centre across the tracks of the band's debut!

As much as I love 'Tubeway Army' on  their second album Gary appears to have a firmer hand on the synthesiser reins. Some of the electronic sounds on 'TA' sound rather clumsy when compared to the more measured electronic creations that followed, from the fairly minimalist 'Replicas' to the phenomenal wall of sound that made 'Are 'Friends' Electric? such ground breaking tracks.

One thing that I love about the album is that, for me, it is one of the most evocative albums in my rather large collection. In this sense I mean that when I hear the opening bars of say 'It Must have Been Years' I am not just thrust into the grimy lamp lit bedroom of Numan's imagination, I am propelled back to my own teenage bedroom, the one with a 5 foot Tubeway Army logo painted on the wall. That room wasn't quite as bleak as the one in the parallel universe of 'Replicas' (although as it was a badly built, badly insulated dormer extension to my parent's bungalow, it was only a rather pungent smelling oil radiator that melted the ice that formed up on the inside of the single pane windows!).

'Replicas' was a powerful statement of intent from the soon to be 'solo' Numan and great things followed in the form of 'The Pleasure Principle'. As a huge fan of Tubeway Army, the 1983/1984 period were about as good as it got, with the earlier release of the first two singles plus 'We Are So Fragile' on a 12" compilation followed by the more exiting red and blue compilations that contained genuinely unheard material... including three additional tracks dating back to the 'Replicas' related sessions, 'Only A Downstat', 'We Have A Technical' and 'The Crazies'. I have to say though that for the teenager, finally developing a profound appreciation of punk.... albeit 6 or 7 years after the event, it was the release of 'The Plan' that topped it all. Maybe a topic for another thread, but whilst Numan had thrown in much of 'Tubeway Army', the first two singles and select material from 'The Plan' into his sets over the 28 years I would love to see a pre-Replicas Tubeway Army mini-tour!

I often wonder about the success of the album, Tubeway Army and Gary in general at this time. As he is always at great pains to point out, this 'electronic pioneer' tag is something of a misnomer... as certainly Ultravox were doing something similar '76/'77, as were Kraftwerk earlier still.... and will a considerable degree of commercial success. Again from the horses's mouth it was the happy coincidence that Beggars ploughed additional money into the novel format of the picture disc that clinched the bubbling under spot for Tubeway Army over Simple Minds (sorry Mr Kerr.... I dunno why but I have always had an irrational aversion to Simple Minds....). A TOTP appearance propelled new bands directly into the front rooms of the young record buying public at prime time on a Thursday evening. A band like Ultravox never had that opportunity during John Foxx's tenure. Couple the exposure afforded by a TOTP tea time appearance with the appeal of a pop star coming across as someone rather leftfield as Numan certainly did on that first appearance and you have a potent potential spell for success.

Here is a positive review of 'Replicas' from the 21st April 1979 edition of Record Mirror, a supportive branch of the UK music press, at least in the first couple of years.


Sadly Numan's live performance career stalled not just once after the Wembley 'retirement' but also for the 'punk' Tubeway Army following a bloody evening with The Skids in Acton. For these reasons, 'Replicas' was never toured in it's own right, the first UK major headline tour embracing both of his 1979 No. 1 albums. As a result, fewer 'Replicas' tracks received a contemporary airing than would normally be the case for your average album/tour.... album/tour band. 

The good news was that this touring anomaly was at last addressed in 2008 when Numan finally felt comfortable enough with his then level of revitalised success to allow him to revisit past glories.

To this end another 'Replicas 2008' gig will be posted in the next couple of days. 


Sunday, 13 June 2021

Tokyo TV Gig 9th February 1979

 

Here's a recording that the band did for Tokyo TV as an accompaniment to the Record Mirror article. Nice sounding boot of the band at the peak of their powers.

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01. Straighten Out
02. Dead Ringer
03. No More Heroes
04. Bring On The Nubiles
05. Hanging Around
06. Outside Tokyo
07. Curfew
08. Threatened
09. Nice ‘N’ Sleazy
10. Do You Wanna
11. Tank
12. London Lady
13. Dagenham Dave
14. Toiler On The Se

LAID IN JAPAN The Stranglers in Japan February 1979 (Record Mirror 3rd March 1979)


 LAID IN JAPAN


Would you expect law and order in Japan with The Stranglers?
BARRY CAIN did but that was only one of his mistakes

I tell you what - it's definitely not true what they say about Japanese girls.

Unless, of course, you happen to be cross-eyed.

So tell me more…

They wait, these Nipponese nymphs, on bullet train stations, in airports, in hotel lounges, in the shadows of afternoon corridors, in vain, in rain, armed with heart-shaped chocolates, flowers, love letters, sugar sweet smiles, bird wing eyes, all thing feminine…

For The Stranglers.

It could have been any other band, any other full cream adonis in Brylcreemed trousers, any other bunch of nebulous teenies. But The Stranglers? Just a minute before they were sitting in the train
compartment watching the 150 mph structured landscape in a series of freeze shots revelling in their new scientific discovery that women have smaller (physically) brains than men.

And now they stand on the platform surrounded by well manicured giggles, lace looks and stiletto heeled admiration looking as incongruous as a pride of lions in Battersea Dogs' Home.

“They don't think of us as idols," says Jean Jacques in the cab on the way to the hotel where another gang of honeydew peaches are waiting to pounce. "They are really into what the band say. They understand."

To back up his statement he flashes some letters written in over formal shakey English which obviously took long night hours to compose. They had been thrust into his hand at various points of his journey by girls anxious to identify with his admiration of the writer Yukio Mishima and to provide a few enlightening anecdotes on the subject of his disembowelled, decapitated felo de se .

Not exactly love letters in the sand. Still, Japanese girls are like that. Later that night one approached me with love in her eyes. I waited nervously for the question "Where is your room?" looking forward to a night of oriental express bliss.

Instead she handed me a half empty packet of Marlboro, said "You will not forget me please," and left. How could I?

The town - Osaka. Two hundred miles outside Tokyo. Ratherlike a brass rubbing of Birmingham - all
gold and tall. Second night into The Stranglers' tour of Japan. The previous night (I missed) in Fukuoka (most Japanese-words are vaguely obscene sounding) they went down so well they were banned from ever playing there again due to audience over reaction.



Tonight the barriers again did not event them from tumbling down to the front in athletic desperation to celebrate the appearance of sour faced Jet, doe-eyed Dave, letcher Hugh and jumping Jean flash.

After years of heavy metal conditioning in the shape of clapped out, monolithic dross kings it’s not surprising that they find The Stranglers something to lite hom about.

These normally placid, peek-a-boo people from the valley of the dolls are even starting to spit! What other race would go berserk for an hour, kick stewards in the balls, mob the band and then politely bow to each other afterwards as they file out of the hall?

I expected order. I expected rules. I expected The Stranglers to be regarded as a "Blitish novelty act" whose only redeeming factor in their eyes was Jean's romantic attachment to their country and his cutiepie smile. But they, with indomitable elegance, accepted the moribund meat the band relish in
chewing up before your very eyes.

They understood, without understanding a word.

Back in the Osaka hotel basement bar Jean intimates, in no uncertain terms but with a snappy smile
plastered across his face, that he wants a fight.

Not with just anyone you understand. No, Judas Priest were the subjects of his attention. They
played the same night and sat like Madame Tussaud rejects in the corner being ogled by a dozen
leopard skinned, hoochie coochie groupies.

"Judas Priest R Women" Jean scrawls on the back of a menu and places it on a silver platter held by
an unsuspecting waiter who proceeds to deliver the message.

No takers. Jean departs, still smiling. Judas Priest may not have even heard of The Stranglers.

The evening culminates in manager Ian Grant insulting a concrete arsed groupie, with tour manager Tom playing a tray toon and Ian banging nails in the ceiling.

Notice how none of the band participate in the cliche on the road, clot antics. They are intensely parsimonious when it comes to off-stage energy. Apart from Jean's occasional muscle flexing (he does
tend to tread on your toes a great deal. I put that down to him being French somewhere along the line)
they are more inclined to exercise the larynx rather than the inebriated soul.

I guess that's part of their attraction.

The following day we coach it to Kyoto, the ancient capital with a plethora of Buddhist temples each of
which are made entirely of wood without a single nail. Despite the overbearing symbolism that pervades the ornamental parks in which these edifices are set it's difficult not to snigger when confronted by "Get your souvenir of Buddha here" signs etc.

The band pose for pictures for the Sun's Queen of Pop outside one temple. She's probably still feeling a
little freaked out after seeing Jean's balls swinging like church bells in their dressing room the night before after he alighted from a shower. Still, he didn't seem to mind.

The venue tonight is Kyoto University. There's holes in the ceiling, holes in the walls, holes in the hearts, holes in the holes. This brack hole of Kyoto is tailor made for the band. No police are allowed on the campus. No chairs are allowed in the main hall, No holes barred.

But without the barriers and red jacketed stewards the element of anarchy is dispelled. Unfortunately
it becomes just another gig - unusual in Japan maybe but I've seen more exciting nights at the Palladium.

However the band are . . . glate. Maybee it's the transistorised guitars that allow Hugh and Jean to indulge in endless permutations of the hunchback rat routine. Maybe it's the addition of Dave's newly
acquired Oberheim keyboard memory system which allow for myriad variations on a theme. Or maybe it's simply because they are actually beginning to believe what they have been preaching since their
inception - "We are the greatest band in the world."

Each show is virtually a re-run of the new 'X-Cert' album which, captured on vinyl, is pretty disposable. With the opportunity of seeing them four nights in a row I realise they are one of the few outfits who can create and destroy their homegrown myth on stage. They ARE the characters you see up there. The music is a product of four disparate, complex personalities. All that shit about frightened journalists and fun loving aggression arises out of a desire to intimidate what they view as being weak and overtly abstract.

The Stranglers are real. Complete control in their case is no vague, facetious declaration. They really do
mean it.

Or maybe I'm just a gullible fool (No you're not - Mum). (Yes he is -Ed.)

"No, I don't mind Jean getting all the attention at the moment. After all, he makes a prettier cover than me."

Hugh, in that tongue in cheek sincere look he cultivates so well, pours out another beer in his hotel
room at the Nagoya Miyako Grand the next day. Initially, he was The Strangler who grabbed the attention but in recent months he's taken a back seat in the shadows.

"Last year I got pissed off with being pushed into situations. We've had a very depressing time on the
business side but things are looking up. Now we are a very successful band and there are a lot of things we have to do.

"Now I feel I have the time to know what I want to do and what I want to see The Stranglers doing.
I…"

There was a knock on the door and the tour manager wanders in with a shy girl. "You said you wanted to talk to a fan. Here's one." Hugh leaves. Aya talks.

She's saved up for months just to accompany the band on every gig and taken a week off work to do this.
Why?

"Because the Stranglers are unique. They sing about ourselves and I understand and identify with what they think. Other rock bands sing about love between men and women, they sing about the
government. People are afraid to sing about the government but they're not."

Ayako Shimizo is 23 and lives in the dormitory her company provides for its workers. She has a record
player in her room, a boyfriend in LA and a thing about Jean. Or she did have.

"He was my favourite. I liked his playing. I liked his philosophy. I think he is very strong and very manly. More manly than Japanese men. But I was disappointed when I met him because a friend told me had had gone to bed with a Japanese girl while here. I was surprised. I didn't think he would be just another
rock star. "

She leaves. Hugh returns and I mention the conversation. "She's just like anybody else," he retorts.
"She can't cope with reality. She hasn't sussed out yet that there are no more heroes. You'd have
thought the Zen way would have taught them to think otherwise."


Before going to the soundcheck I cornered Jean and told him what Aya had said. He's obviously upset.
"It's frustrating, firstly because what her friend told her just isn't true and secondly because what she
said about the rock star thing is maybe right.

"No. -I don't think we behave like other rock bands. No. Shit man that's a drag. 1 didn't expect to hear
something like that. Ever. But I can't pretend to be what I ain't. People expect us to behave in a certain way all the time and that's impossible. We're only human. Shit."

I mention the conversation with Hugh as he puts his Dr Martens on.

"At the beginning I felt Hugh had a lot more going for him than me. He's got a regular place to live. He can concentrate on higher things. I've never had security, just The Stranglers.”

See what I mean by desperate and complex?

The show is infinitely more exciting than Kyoto. The stewards, up until now fairly tame by Japanese standards, are coming on strong. So strong in fact that at one juncture the band stop playing to point an accusing finger at one particular venomous stewards who is subsequently hounded out of the hall in a blaze of vitriol.

Hell, you can't keep on pumping . out eulogy in the same article.

Mari Takahashi, a short 20, is the president of the Japanese Stranglers' Information Service. She too has been travelling with the band for the duration of the tour.

"At the moment there are 70 members," she says, "but I expect that to really increase after all this. The average age is 18 but we have a few 32-year-old members. We also have a fanzine .

"The Stranglers are so different from other bands. They have opinions and they point out all the wrong things in England. Other bands just sing and wear pretty clothes and I'm tired of all that.

"I know the band look so wild but after meeting them I know they are gentle. But all the girls that come to the hotel don't understand them. They just want to go to bed with them. I don't. I just want to be their friend. If I went to bed with Jean I wouldn't be his friend anymore."

And you thought The Stranglers were a boys' band.

"It's amazing," says Jet Black the following day on the bullet train (and I do mean bullet) to Tokyo.

"The girls are everywhere. We get off the train and they're there. We go to the hotel they're there. We go to our rooms and they're waiting outside. We come back from a gig and they're there. We wake up in the morning and they're sleeping outside the door in the corridor.

"Sure, that happens in England - but it's not girls, it's the police."

Jet admits to being a thinking man and not a talker. "I leave that to Jean and Hugh. If I wasn't an introvert we would probably be fighting all the time. I am in the classic drummer mould. When bands try putting the drummer up as a front man they fail.

"The only thing that gets me annoyed is incompetence when we tour. I've come across people who can't organise a bunk up in a brothel."

About the disparity. "We have all the ingredients for failure. But the pressures, all that we've gone through have given us a mutual respect for each other. We are all very strong individuals. That's why we've got so much more to offer than anyone else.

"We have been managing ourselves for the last six months although things on that front are improving. I tell you something – show me a good manager and I'll show you a martian."

It's raining in Tokyo. The coruscating skysclapers are wet through and accentuate the slant eyed gloom. Yet still the cars are polished. Still there are no stains on the pavements. Still the women out walking their dogs bend down to sweep the steaming damp turds into polythene bags to deposit in nearby litter bins. And victims of Jap flu wander around in surgical masks to prevent spreading their oriental kamikazi germs.



Tokyo is straight out of 'The Shape Of Things To Come'. Wells envisaged the vertical aspects perfectly. He just didn't latch onto the horizontal aspects of the inhabitants. The magnificent metropolis of the east is dripping while The Stranglers prepare for the first of their three city shows.

"You two keep playing," Jean says to Jet and Dave in the dressing room of Korakuen Hall “while Hugh
and I jump into the audience and start wrenching up the chairs. If that doesn't get them up nothing will"
They did. And they did. Result - the most immaculate Stranglers' show this side of the Nashville.

When•you see them perform it live you realise just how under-rated 'Black And White' was. 'No More Heroes' was merely a stepping stone, a transition between the singalongastranglers of Rattus and the inveterate psychopathic splendour that courses through the veins of 'B&W'. That death and night and blood feel is in now way diminished before this toy town crowd.

Kato says she's not a groupie. She's 21 with chest pimples and no bra. She taught me oppai (tits), shakuhachi, senzuri (wank) , omeko ("girl's one"). omekoshiyo (f * * *) and ochinko "boy's one").

"Before they come Japanese girls thought The Stranglers would rape them. See, English bands often
make fun of Japanese girls. But this band seem more friendly than most .

"Also, English men have bigger ochinkos in general than Japanese men. They had to make a slightly smaller size condom specially for the Japanese market. We are hampered by our lack of English. Usually the only thing a Japanese girl can say to a guy in a band is "Can I come to your room?" That doesn't give you much of a start.

"The girls get very sad because they know the guy will leave shortly."

Do Japanese girls wear suspenders? "No. They are too uncomfortable. "

After the show Jean comes running into the dressing room. "Hey, have any of you seen a girl about so high with black hair, slightly buck teeth, slanted eyes and who can't pronounce her R's by any chance?"

“No.”

Thursday, 10 June 2021

Siouxsie & The Banshees St James' Church London 10th April 1985

 

Here's a pretty famed Banshee's gig performed on the hallowed ground of St James's Church in London's Picadilly. The gig was a benefit for Pete Townsend's anti-heroin, set up at a time when heroin was a huge problem in UK cities.

This period of the Banshees never really did it for me, give me the early material or the later stuff... but each to their own.

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Sin In My Heart
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Israel


Sunday, 23 May 2021

Whisky A Go Go Los Angeles 7th November 1980

 

Hugh tells the tale of Mr Cram and offends America

To accompany the Sounds interview, here is one of DomP's remastered recordings of the first of a four night residency at the famous Whisky A Go Go on West Hollywood's Sunset Strip. On a grueling 40 date tour of the East and West coasts and seemingly everywhere in between, a tour beset with problems, the band returned to their routes playing to audiences, the larger portions of which were unfamiliar with the band. It was an uphill struggle. Gigs being played with low quality hired equipment (after the thieves made away with all their gear after the gig at New York's Ritz Club on 21st October). Dave in particular battled hardest trying to tame temperamental keyboards, indeed unexpected noises can be heard emanating from Dave's corner throughout the set.

Despite the musical challenges, this sounded like a great tour, at least from a fan's perspective. I would have given my right arm to have been at one of these gigs!




01. Intro
02. Toiler on the Sea (Aborted)
03. Toiler on the Sea
04. I Feel Like A Wog
05. Duchess
06. Hanging Around
07. Down In The Sewer
08. Who Wants The World
09. Just Like Nothing on Earth
10. Threatened
11. Tank
12. Nuclear Device
13. Genetix
14. Dead Loss Angeles
15. The Raven
16. Interview





Saturday, 22 May 2021

The Stranglers In America... Sounds Interview (10th January 1981)

 


Duff equipment, Close Encounters and bog-wall poetry…. The Stranglers in America by SYLVIE SIMMONS
(Photos by Chris Walter)


Third of four nights at the Whisky and the audience is still dribbling in during the opening act. The Humans are on IRS and could just as easily be on the Benny Hill Show with their pop-eyed manners, ageing Knack’s uncles tough pop music, and Ronnie Corbett lookalike. By the time the Stranglers arrive at around 10.30 the crowd is still balding at the edges but ready.

Last time LA was Strangled was at the Starwood, a larger club where the kids were packed to the sweaty walls but managed to move in time to the music and the stripper like some automatic bath sponge. But that was two and a half years ago, at the height of the (what number did we get up to?) British Invasion. Since then, while others have returned to evolve through the Civic to the arenas the Stranglers in America have been pretty much buried like some mongrel that does a couple of good tricks before rolling over and playing dead, two albums in America, ‘Black And White’ their last Transatlantic breath.

Their resurrection tour (over 40 dates - Los Angeles is about halfway) is hardly the type on which conversions are made except perhaps to the philosophy of Positive Thinking. Coming over to support their latest American elpee 'Stranglers IV’ a compilation album released on IRS records. Miles Copeland’s label that offered them a one off deal of a record and tour support after the band dropped A&M two years ago with the immortal words on a telegram: FUCK OFF. They’ve had a roadie beaten up by cowboys in Texas, van tyres slashed by rednecks who’ve just learned to use cutlery and, best of the lot, a truck containing half a million dollars worth of their equipment and instruments, half of it customised and irreplaceable, nicked while they were enroute from New York to Washington only half a dozen dates into the tour.

Where others would go home and sulk, the brave band battled on with rented equipment, much of it proving merely an ability to self-destruct during shows.

At least the stuff they were using for the LA concerts (eight of them over a long long weekend) is the same they've been using for a week or so, resulting in some kind of compromise as to its moods and eccentricities. But the basic hardware still sounds very different from their own (especially, poor Dave, the synthesisers) lending them the air of a Top Of The Pops Stranglers cover band. And one with a Max Bygraves frontman at that. Hugh Cornwell having to break off to chat to the audience and fill in a few minutes while the band and crew perform quick band-aid operations on the crumbling equipment. No chance to replace any of the old stuff either, with the insurance situation up in the air and pretty much all the band's money, at least every cent they earned off their last album In England - tied up in lawyers and advisors and various people trying to make sure that Jean Jacques doesn’t get put behind bars for the France fracas.

The band weren’t happy with tonight's performance but from the ground they sounded pretty good. They performed as determined and as tirelessly as a quartet of bridegrooms on their American honeymoon. Jet Black was purposeful teaching the second rate drums a lesson, beating the hell out of them and providing the strongest sound. Dave Greenfield looked perplexed often because what he played on the keyboards came out sounding sodden, the occasional high pitch bleep breaking through the sludge for at least the first third of the set. Jean Jacques played tensely, either loping back and forth across the stage or standing on one leg glowering. Hugh's vocals, praise the Lord, his mike was a least working OK – cut through the sound that was mostly like a record player that's been dropped from a great height so often that only the bass button works with a loud, insistent buzz.

They played a couple of songs (or more depending on their mood) from the next album, 'Meninblack', due for release in Britain in February. This set started off with a new one, an instrumental synthesizer waltz Carousel-style, keyboards straining from low to fat to chirpy while the carnival sound became more and more spacey and moody before a hard, rocking bass line rescued it from the Twilight Zone. ‘Just Like Nothing On Earth’, another new one continued the interest in the little black men that pour out of flying saucers like their little green cousins (OK, Sammy Hagar, they can be little red folk too if you like) the world over.

The overall feel of the set is of long and interesting or monotonous instrumental sound punctuated by short, brilliant, gutsy rock and roll songs like 'Hanging Around' - this week, five years late almost, one of the most played songs on a local rock radio station.

The audience was stuffy though, slow to respond. Hugh asked them if they were on quaaludes? Asleep? After all, it was a Sunday night. Eventually some of the younger kids at the front obliged with a perfunctory demonstration of the dance popularised by the LA Times article on rock and roll violence, The Slam (right foot up, raise it to his groin; left shoulder forward, aim it at the chest…) in time for the last song and and encore -- 'Dead Loss Angeles', what else? Hugh added insult to injury and recited a poem of great sensitivity he found on the Men’s bathroom wall (he should have seen what Sandra of Van Nuys said of his techniques in the ladies!) which summed up LA culture for him.

The crowd wasn't sure if it was being insulted, so cheered. The press knew they were, so gave the customary bad reviews, Angry Men Of Rock stuff. We were reading them at the start of our
interview. The next and final night was their Royal Command Performance’ there being various members of record companies present to help them, one hopes, in their search for a permanent haven in the United States and a chance to do another tour that will break them something other than financially. This won't be the one to do it though not from lack of trying. When the Stranglers are good they are very good and even when they're bad through no fault of their own they’re still pretty good.


We’re at the Tropicana motel, Dave's on the bed, Hugh's at the table, craftily perched so one eye can catch the television. Their manager's watching it and guarding the vodka bottle. Jean-Jacques and Jet have had their turn with the last customer, plus a go on the famous Rodney Bingenheimer KROQ show where he asked such wonderful things as oh wow, heard you were in jail that must have been far out etc.

Though the attitude of the kids across America seems to be changing towards the band, it’s been obvious that the media’s hasn’t.

Newspapers have either come on blasé, having no idea who they are and not particularly caring, or digging up the tough punk cliches and touching them with all the relish of a pet tarantula.

Hugh's polite, tired, clever. Dave's your basic Nice Guy, all the above, and too nice to show it. Obviously the first question is, all things considered, especially the stolen equipment, why the hell go on with it?

"Well," muses Hugh. ''it's like the Stranglers have never admitted failure. Right from the beginning we would never give up. This just makes us more determined, and it's always been like that.”

But doesn't it all get a bit silly when you're battling on with bad equipment and can't really do a good show?

"It's a case of doing the best you can,'' Dave reasons. Adds Hugh, "You've got to weigh the pros and cons of carrying on and going back, and it just seemed like there were more pros to carrying on than going back.”

The tour was Miles Copeland's idea “Why don’t you want to go to America?” he asked them “It’s not that we don't want to go, it s just that there's no one there who will help finance the tour” they answered. So Miles said "Well I've got a label and I think that your last album's really good and it's a shame it didn't come out in America, so how about putting something out on my label.'' They thought it a “reasonable idea” and packed the toothbrushes.

It's a one-off deal with the small label which runs from out of A&M's lot in Hollywood. Moving up to A&M seems to be the next step for a band that's learnt to walk on IRS, but it won't be for the Stranglers whose telegram telling them to "Fuck off “ following their last tour here over two years ago still hangs framed on a wall. All the gigs in major music biz cities have a sprinkling of A&R men in the back rows.

"If there's another label which is interested in picking us up then they'll be putting out all the future things on us.'' says Hugh.

Their last tour here, they reckon, was even more screwed up than this one's turned out to be. "They didn't know who we were or our music or anything." remembers Hugh.

We’d speak to journalists who weren't really aware of why they were there. Like “Why me? The editor sent me and I don t know who the fuck you are and I’m not really interested anyway” and they ask stupid questions and we thought thought God, A&M are supposed to be helping us. They didn't even send out info to anyone before we arrived.

But with the two and a half year gap (not to mention an IRS bio that told you as much about the Stranglers as the Statue Of Liberty’s welcome does about America) between visits, people still don't seem to know who they are. Like the newspaper concert reviews we were just reading, their reputation still seems to be as either mean and menacing jailbirds or heroic-romantic-jailbirds, depending on who's doing the reporting.

"It doesn't matter what we do," sighs Cornwell, "they're still going to say we’re like that, and that’s that.”

A dumb review in the Herald Examiner was based around the band's so-called lousy attitude towards Americans, something the band seemed to be asking for by reading out a poem that summed up American culture for Hugh.

I didn’t actually say ‘summed up’. I said I’d found an example of American culture on the wall and it really stimulated my brain cells, and if anyone had said that to me I'd have taken it tongue-in-cheek, but here they take everything so bloody seriously. It was a joke, you know.

He recites with all the flourish of a Shakespearean reject: "There once was a guy named Cram/ Who but for sucking cock wouldn't be worth a damn/Ram it up his arse, shove it down his throat/He’ll even give a blowjob to your Grandma's goat/I've seen him on Santa Monica in front of every bar/I've seen him up on Selma blowing guys in his car/So if you need a knob-job or want to pork some ham/Go to all the gay hotspots and ask for Mr Cram ."

And I read that out and they took it seriously, like I was insulting America. They're all so serious about us." They’re probably too frightened to be anything else, what with the band's image as tough boys in black.

"They're going to hate us anyway, which is what they did."

Which brings us back to the original question: why bother then?

"Well, we thought it might be a better time to come out than two years ago,” when anything with the remotest scrap of English heritage sold out shows. "And it definitely has been better. It's really surprising - we've had a large turn-out for a lot of the gigs, and they've been really into the music and they know about us and it's great. Some of the places have been really surprising, like little places where you think you're going to be a complete washout, and there they are, packed with cowboys and lumberjacks and bikers and just about everybody - like New Orleans where they're all shouting out the names of the songs and singing along with the numbers. New Orleans! It's amazing."

A regular little Rod Stewart show.


"We've got more of a following here than we thought we had when we came over,'' adds Dave, who says the whole thing reminds him of their early days in England, including the bad reviews. "It's surprising and it's refreshing really."

In England, they feel-- to a certain extent that their fans are so hardcore and loyal that they'd love them if they got onstage and blew their noses or sang Neil Young encores. "We're not scared of a challenge,'' swears Dave.

Generally speaking, they say, things have been going pretty well for them in England even though "We're hardly ever there . We've always had a basic die-hard following,'' says Hugh, "that has always been there, and adverse press reports that makes them even more diehard and makes them distrust the press even more. Basically we get less and less airplay as time goes on and Just get to be completely ignored. It's like they've got the philosophy in the media of, well if we ignore them they might go away, but here we are and here we stay …I think because our music appeals to a wide cross-section, no fashionable cliques. 

"We started out playing everywhere where other groups feared to tread. We'd go to all the tiny corners in England where there were pockets of kids and they'd say 'Wow, we've never had a group out here, you're the first to come here' so they remembered that and when the record came out they all rushed out and bought it and it suddenly went into the charts without us being 'fashionable'. We're getting a cross-section audience out here too which is great, very healthy."

Not too many women though?

"I don't know, I see a lot of women at our gigs, loads."

The manager suggests they're cowering at the back while the slammers slam away at the front'. As for their not so-good reputation among females in the past, Hugh sighs and says, ''We've
always been misunderstood''.

So clear up the misconceptions then. The Stranglers are just four nice clean boys trying to earn an honest penny?

"Yeah, we always have  been, it's just that people always took us the wrong way. An example of that is me reading out that poem and everyone thinks I'm anti-American just because I read out some filthy poem that I saw on a wall that titillated me. We just get misinterpreted. Maybe we just don't speak plain English enough or something. We got to be less subtle, more direct. Shall I commit suicide now or wait until after the last set?" he recalls with the words that upset the audience doing their  little best on opening night.

What with Hugh's well publicized spell in prison, 1980 hasn't exactly been The Stranglers' favourite year.

“There's always been problems before’" says Dave, "but this year certainly had the worse. The years before kind of pale into insignificance beside it, but I think it’s changing now slowly. The crew have got that feeling as well, I don't know why. Things are starting to pick up again, I feel. Our luck will get better".


There’s one big hurdle first, the trial resulting from the so-called 'riot' in France, an expensive and frightening fiasco, the general feeling over there being that Jean-Jacques as a Frenchman should know what he was doing. Quite understandably this isn't the band's favourite topic of conversation. ''It's just like living day to day at the moment,'' says Dave.

After this tour and the court case they'll sort out the equipment problems somehow, "then another tour, England and Europe maybe''. They've chosen not to work in Europe for some time, feeling that the old homeland is “a bit more paranoid than it was, a lot of people out of work, so the music's getting more desperate with imminent destruction right on the doorstep''.

It would seem that the Stranglers music is getting more escapist in comparison, their next album 'Meninblack' being the nearest thing to a concept album they've done with a UFO-ish theme. ''This album'', says Hugh, "is the first one where all the tracks have a cohesion about them. They're all dealing with strange phenomena."

Dave: "And alternative ways of looking at religions through these extraterrestrial phenomena. The nearest we've done to a concept album."

"We're not the men in black'', says Hugh, reminding us of the MIB on the cover of 'Rattus' standing at the window in the back of the photo, and the song 'Men In Black' on 'Black And White'.

"The men in black are a phenomenon that occurs all over the world, people seeing UFOs and sighting strange phenomena and getting visited by men wearing black suits and hats and open-toed sandals and drive around in Fifties cars and enter people's houses and speak to them and after half an hour or so they leave again and they put these people into trances with thought implantation or whatever…”

Dave: "Hypnosis. They impart information that if the people are saying too much about what they've seen, they won't say anything any more."

Hugh: "There's been lots of reports in the journals all over the world. They're sort of Close Encounters really. These guys have no facial hair and they sort of resemble human beings but aren't the bona fide thing.'' Sounds like the Knack to me. "These people never see flying saucers again, or they die or disappear afterwards or strange things happen to them. It is (he adopts a mysterious Doctor Finlay accent) a strange occurrence."

The music is appropriately spacey. "It's not just a collection of songs. It's very moody music and a lot of it's very spacey and more varied in style. You can't really talk about your music.''

As for solo albums. "We haven't got much time at the moment. If we have we'll do them. I think Jean's been working on a few tracks,'' says Hugh. "I've got loads of ideas but there's no time, and we've got a lot of new Stranglers material to work on, so all of your ideas go into that. You only do solo stuff if you've got spare time and spare ideas and we've got neither.'' Dave will do one at the end of the tour once he's got new keyboards all in the right working order.

No plans to produce any local bands, though they've been given several tapes along the way, all the band listen to while in America "I listen to very little American stuff,'' says Dave. "It's usually too dated culturally and musically.''

Adds Hugh, "I've heard some nice things when guys come up to you and say, 'Hey I've got a band too' and give you tapes. The Lobsters (from San Diego) are pretty good.'' 

They can't afford to be patrons of the art and support new bands either with everything that's gone on, despite their gold LP success in England which one would have thought would have given them at least some financial security.

"Charity begins at home,'' shrugs Hugh. "Of course it would be nice to help the whole world but we've got a lot of problems of our own at the moment and we have to sort those out first. Success in England doesn't mean money because of the taxes. Success in England just means success."

So what kind of success are the Stranglers after?

''The success that means buying some new fucking equipment. We'll deal with the rest as it comes.''